Judicial Watch: “The Clinton cash machine was in bed with the Russians”

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Published: March 8, 2022 | Date of Source Audio: March 7, 2022

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Larry Elder talks with Tom Fitton about the real Russia collusion

Larry Elder: My guest is president of an organization that was named by The Hill as one of Washington's Top 10 most effective government watchdogs. It was founded in 1994 and it ensures that government officials and judicial officers act ethically. In other words, they are doing the job that The New York Times ought to be doing. He has 20 years in experience in conservative fiscal policy, has helped lead Judicial Watch since 1998. Please welcome to the program president of Judicial Watch, Tom Fitton.

Tom Fitton: Thank you, Larry. Good to be with you.

Elder: Tom, when you and I were last speaking, I said you guys at Judicial Watch are doing stuff that The New York Times used to do. It's called investigative journalism.

Fitton: Yeah. I mean The New York Times still does it from time and time again, but they're largely advocacy groups now, the big journalist organizations. They do, of course, more advocacy, and they sometimes do journalism, which is exactly what Judicial Watch does as it relates to government corruption. We sue the government to get access to information, which obviously performs this educational function that journalists traditionally perform. In addition, we sue the government to stop them from engaging in government corruption, which is part of our advocacy. And there's really no one else that does it like we do. And God bless America because I don't think we could do this type of work anywhere else.

Elder: Tom, you and I talked briefly about the 2020 election. As you know, President Trump continues to call it stolen. Mollie Hemingway calls it rigged. What's your take?

Fitton: I think President Trump was the technical winner of the election. If you count the votes that should have been counted on election day properly under the law, he was the winner. Obviously, it was adjudicated by Congress, however poorly, and President Biden was certified as the winner. But I think if the laws had been followed, we'd be talking about the second Trump presidency.

Elder: You've written a piece – we have it up on larryelder.com – called “The Clintons’ Russia-Ukraine Grift.” Before we get into that, talk to me about Hunter Biden, Burisma, all the money he got from that company, and what is Burisma doing now?

“There are Russian interests in Ukraine that are powerful and Ukrainian interests in Ukraine that are powerful.”

Fitton: I don't know, I have a feeling they'll survive the Russian invasion, color me skeptical. You know, one of the interesting things about Burisma, at least my understanding of it, is that it's obviously a Ukrainian company, it's famous for being Ukrainian. But as we now have learned about Ukraine, there are Russian interests in Ukraine that are powerful and Ukrainian interests in Ukraine that are powerful. Burisma fell into the Russia side of the ledger in Ukraine. It was a Russia-friendly company run by cabinet officials associated with one of the prior rulers of Ukraine that had fled to Russia. So, when you talk about Hunter getting money from Ukraine, in many ways, it's just another way for the Russians, in my view, to take care of Hunter. And this is in addition to the $3.5 million a Senate investigative committee found that at least one of his concerns received from the widow of a Russian oligarch. So, the Russians were taking care of the Bidens, that's for sure.

Elder: Tom, can you imagine if any of the Trump kids were deep in bed with Russia-Ukraine grift as you pointed out, what the media would be saying?

Fitton: Yeah, on top of that, there's already a criminal investigation, presumably, into what Hunter was doing. There's tax investigations, the Justice Department's supposed to be investigating this. I don't know how they can do it fairly, or at least with the confidence that it will be done in a way that people can have confidence in the fair administration of justice. And, you know, that's why they have these special counsel rules. And that's why we need a special counsel for the Biden family corruption issues – our national security is at stake. We just can't – you know, the media wants to ignore it. But it greatly complicates, certainly, the situation in Ukraine.

And I would submit, the corruption of Biden and his family is a contributing factor to the terrible situation we're seeing in Ukraine. If you're Putin, you look at what your opponents are doing. And Putin obviously concluded that his opponents were corrupted and weak because in part he knew, based on his experience with them in Russia and Ukraine. You can't beat that type of experience and knowledge. He probably knew it because of the government's involvement, but obviously he reads the same newspapers we do.

And, you know, it's funny, a few years ago, we uncovered emails from the Obama State Department showing – bemoaning – the fact that the Russians were trolling Biden over his anti-corruption issues in Ukraine because of Hunter and Burisma. They were making fun of him over this just before Trump came into office.

“It all fed into Putin's propaganda line that Ukraine was a vassal state of the United States.”

And I tell you, on top of that, you had that whole gang trying to use Ukraine and connections in Ukraine to go after Trump. And remember, they impeached him over the corruption there. My gosh, you know, and it all fed into Putin's propaganda line that Ukraine was a vassal state of the United States and a plaything for the deep state. And certainly, they acted like it. And it doesn't justify the invasion, but my gosh, why were we using Ukraine to target our own president of the United States? That's what the Democrats did in the first impeachment.

Elder: My guest is president of Judicial Watch, Tom Fitton. Tom, I watched a lot of MSNB-Hee-Haw, I say, so my audience does not have to. Hillary Clinton is on there going on and on and on about how Trump gave aid and comfort to Vladimir Putin. Your reaction?

Fitton: Well, the Clinton cash machine was in bed with the Russians. They received boatloads of money in the form of speaking fees. Bill Clinton got a half-a-million-dollar speaking fee from a front company for the Russians that later was tied to Uranium One. Why would you get an exorbitant speaking fee for that, other than essentially a kind of a laundered bribery? How can you conclude anything other than that?